2nd Edition shipping around the globe

[TriAdX]

So all of the first edition cards we have sitting around that didnt make it are just gonna be worthless? Or will they eventually be playable again?

Old cards could always get reprinted in the future... also.. they are enver worthless in casual play..

Lastly, once more sets come out the game will likely be split into 2 formats (just like every other GOOD/SMART card game).

You will have an eternal format that allows for all cards (with the exception of a ban list for oops's)

and then you have the current format.

As every card game grows they deal with this and Spoils is not exception.

Having sets rotate out of the "current format" is a good thing.. it's just a matter of how often this happens. Some games rotate very fast and some rotate very slow..

one thing to remember... a game company always has to balance this between 2 types of players...

People who play A LOT and play competitively want sets to rotate much faster then those who only play once a week... and then you have people who only play once a month.. and those people dont ever want the sets to "rotate" because it's hard for them to keep up...

it's all a matter of balance for all of the different players..

Dont forget... a company needs to make money.. and the more often a set rotates, the more they sell.. this is a double edged sword for most people (even the game company).


Rememeber, every card can be played if the people you are playing with agree and you are not trying to sanction the play time.. (yep.. even banned cards... it's not like as soon as you drop a MotM, the spoils police come out of the time portal and take your cards away)

so worrying a WHOLE lot about rotations seems a little pointless right now.

This is a growing game and there will be changes, most will be for the good and I am sure that all will be with what's best for the game in mind.

[Mglass]

The places around me stopped selling before seed came out, so basically 50% of the cards I have arent gonna be tourny legal it seems, funzies lol

not every game rotates, yugioh never has just has an extensive ban list

idk just seems annoying to have so many cards gone when there is barely any sets even out yet, mostly since if I am making a deck I always make it tournament legal even in casual play, so friends I try to get into the game I have to be like oh btw half these cards wont be able to be used soon :/

[TriAdX]

The places around me stopped selling before seed came out, so basically 50% of the cards I have arent gonna be tourny legal it seems, funzies lol

not every game rotates, yugioh never has just has an extensive ban list

it's HARDLY going to be 50% of what you own...

I would never want The Spoils to follow in the footsteps of yugioh... especially as a collector. Yugioh reprints cards so much that you have cards worth 100's now worth nothing... just because they get a "good idea"

rotating sets are the the way to do it.

You need to get the new sets anyway... support the company... buy some new product... otherwise.. none of your cards with be "legal" because there wont be a company.

[Mglass]

I didnt say rotating sets is bad although its what I hated about magic and one of the reasons I never wanted to start playing it, but you can't start rotating sets when you only have 4 lol.

What I am also saying is that all the stores around me maybe in my entire state stopped carrying the spoils before seed was released, so I never had any chance to buy any of those, and it's very difficult to find them. But all of what I own is from beta, and the 2 parts of first edition, so if a lot of those cards aren't going to be able to be used what I have to work with is certainly majoring lacking, the reprint idea is fine but I don't see why I shouldn't be able to use the ones that didn't make it in the reprint, seems like punishing me for having bought first edition

[plmrelm]

Mglass - maybe if you at it this way: you HAVE those cards you bought for first edition. Newer players who are just getting into the game (buying 2nd edition) don't even have a chance to get those (few) cards that you have that won't be reprinted. So you actually have a leg up on formats where those cards would still be legal.

[Mglass]

Yeah but if the plan is to make those cards illegal for tournament play they are pretty much useless I never see any reason to make casual decks that wouldn't be able to be used when it actually mattered, I am just hoping its none of the cards I actually like, then maybe I won't be too bitter about it

[plmrelm]

when the formats split, people will be able to use those cards in open/unlimited/whatever "Legacy" would be called. You'd be able to participate in those formats if you wanted. The newer players ("Standard") wouldn't even have the chance in those other formats because they never got a chance to get the cards.

i have a feeling that we'll find out the cardlists pretty soon.

[Mglass]

exactly, i consider open/unlimited/legacy etc the useless format lol, if its not standard tournament legal its of no interest to me,


all I know is if my micromajig deck gets hurt bc of this I might give up on spoils since its the reason I started liking the game in the first place, I needs my majigs!

[kallisti]

when the formats split, people will be able to use those cards in open/unlimited/whatever "Legacy" would be called. You'd be able to participate in those formats if you wanted. The newer players ("Standard") wouldn't even have the chance in those other formats because they never got a chance to get the cards.

There's a couple of problems with this.

1. The game is not currently popular enough to support a format split.
2. The two formats will likely not be very different.

The most likely scenario is that one format wins and the other dies out. If the "all cards" format wins, we've accomplished nothing by rotating. If the rotated format wins, we've made a whole bunch of cards unplayable.

Look at what's happening to MtG right now. There are some very important and applicable lessons here.

1. The new "double Standard" Extended format is considered a failure. Despite the game having a massive player base, it's simply not different enough from Standard. There is, however, likely far more difference between those two formats than between our two formats.
2. Legacy is growing in popularity, despite having a fatal flaw in that the number of certain staples is very limited and can never increase due to the Reserved list. This means, for example, the format will never receive the kind of support that Standard and Extended can. The lesson here is that people really like formats that don't rotate.

So let's keep all cards legal until the day that we start seeing the kind of problems which can only be resolved by rotating. That day may still be far in the future due to good card design. If card availability of certain 1st edition cards becomes a problem, they can be reprinted. But as it is, if someone's having problems getting the cards they need for their deck, it's far more likely that it's because someone's hogging all the Clowns () then because 1st edition is out of stock.

[Bizze]

I've been playing YGO for years. What I always liked about that game were the ban lists, because they forced a metagame change each time they were posted. Sad thing was that before the lists were even official, the new meta decks were already thoroughly discussed and exploited and so people started trading as soon as a possible spoiler was available.

The Spoils is not YGO, however. There is currently no über deck that wins everything and the sharing of deck lists over the internet is modest. By rotating and cutting some cards, you may have to change your deck(s). I don't see this as negative. How fun is a game where you build a single deck and stick to it? With this rotation you may end up losing a few cards in your deck(s), but that should spur more creativity!

So your deck lost its engine? Then think of something else!
The deck is not playable anymore? Build something new!
You lost vital parts of your Research OTK deck? Muahahaha! ^_^

I've always felt that card games are about creativity - both adapting to the metagame but also just trying out new themes or new versions of your decks. Experimenting is fun!

Having said that, I'm all with Mglass - living for competitive play and the current tournament format. Old cards that are not valid anymore are of no use to me at all.

I like rotation better than the YGO format and I would have played Magic unless the Spoils had better mechanics. ^_^