Wow...talk about slipping through the cracks...

[tgrtrax]

also the big question i have is this:

is a copy a tatic or not?

if it is then all other cards interact with it like normal including voidal replication.
if not then vr will not copy a copy. lets play a game here.

Ectypal Stave
Rare
2
Item

COUNTERFEIT
COST: Use this only if a tactic has been played this turn. Pay 2+X, where X is the numeric cost of the last tactic played this turn. Deplete this card.
EFFECT: Duplicate the tactic.


Voidal Replication
Uncommon
3
Tactic

Your opponent cannot respond to this card.

COST: Play this only if a tactic has been played this turn.

EFFECT: Duplicate the last tactic played this turn.


Reality Shift
Rare
7
Tactic

X is the total numeric cost of all non-resource cards you control. Put those cards into their owner?s hand. You may play any number of cards for free with total numeric cost X or less. (You still need to meet their threshold and satisfy their extra costs.)

we will be using these three cards in diffrent orders.

with ES in play i play RS then activate ES. let us assume i have a way to pay the cost of ES over and over. what is the ES copying? the origional or the copy?

so now lets say i play RS then VR then do the ES will ES copy VR or the copy of RS?

lets say you play bask bile and i VR it then i ES the VR how much will the ES cost?
i think somewhere in all this there is a way to cause a draw. or do we copy the copys which are not tatics?


my head hurts.

and how will this all work with sadistic?
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[KingOfBadaBing]

the copy would resolve because only the last tatic played is terminated and that would be BB the copy of scrag would not be touched either way.

This is not true because of this rule:
307.3 If an effect restricts you from playing tactics, any duplicates created while that restriction is active are terminated immediately.

The Tactician Vacation resolves before the copy of Scrag is created, therefore when the Stave resolves and the Scrag is created it is terminated immediately.

also the big question i have is this:

is a copy a tatic or not?

In the thread you referenced earlier it states, and as the rules stand right now, it is clear that a copy is not a tactic. How this interacts with other cards is what we are trying to resolve.
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[jedibcg]

The Voidal Replication (or in the re-worked version of my situation with the not-illegal-play Ectypal Stave) does resolve, just the copy doesn't.

True. I mis-spoke. But that still doesn't seem to make sense. The duplicate is terminated but the scrag is not. Any tactic played before Tactician Vacation resolves as normal (including the VR), but the duplicates don't. I understand that that is the rules are designed to function. However I don't understand why. Why does a duplicate function differently than a tactic? Or moreover why did we have VR create a duplicate in the first place instead of the original copy the last tactic played?

[KingOfBadaBing]

True. I mis-spoke. But that still doesn't seem to make sense. The duplicate is terminated but the scrag is not. Any tactic played before Tactician Vacation resolves as normal (including the VR), but the duplicates don't. I understand that that is the rules are designed to function. However I don't understand why. Why does a duplicate function differently than a tactic? Or moreover why did we have VR create a duplicate in the first place instead of the original copy the last tactic played?

This is because, as far as the actual time line works, the duplicate is created after the Tactician Vacation dictates that no more tactics can be played this turn. I guess I can see this being weird because the duplicate isn't technically "played" but that is probably why the rule is there in the first place.

My guess is that the rule is there to prevent some sort of strange string of tactics that would "break through" a Tactician Vacation due to duplicates being created after the Tac Vac resolves.. At the moment I don't think there is a way to abuse this so it probably serves as a way to prevent any future interactions that Josh and the other designers thought of yet.
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[tgrtrax]

correct KOBB
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[jedibcg]

Right but VR cannot be responded to so I would think the original intent of the card would be that TV would not terminate it. It is only when the card was changed to creating duplicates from the original copy tactic that this occured. I am wondering why the change was made.

[Hordak]

Josh said that he needed to rework duplicates, and this is exactly the reason. It was never 100% clear how duplicates interacted with the rest of the game except that duplicates could be duplicated - it was stated plainly that VR into VR does not end in a draw and that VR2 will copy whatever VR1 copied

[Oneyus]

Did the rules for duplicates ever get ironed out?