Ultra Rares

[doc8466]

I too am formost a collector. Ever since football cards and comic books 25 years ago. I feel you Sabash. While having these Ultra-Rares ultra difficult to get kind of stinks from a collectors point, at the same time it adds a hard to reach carrot that, for me, will always keep me searching.

On another note, The Spoils is a Tournament Card Game, not a collectible card game by design. I conceed that these Ultra-Rares very well might be a tactic to sell more cards. If it works, fine. If not, nothing lost in my eyes. They're smart enough to put an Ultra-rare out there that will have no impact on the game itself.

If it were an Ultra-Rare that appeared 1 per case, yes, I'd like that better, but in the end, it should amount to a special bonus for the people who open them, not something that pushes those who wish to collect away.

My humble 2 cents.

doc

[ShadowScythe]

See.. now this is where I'm torn on the issue...

I first got into the game because I desperately needed something to replace M:tG. Before I found the Spoils I'd thrown money into atleast six other games. Finding the Spoils was like a wild *insert dirty euphemisms here* fantasy.

There were three things that attracted me to the game.

1) So many of the cards are just damn hilarryous.
2) It's much more entertaining, and easier to play than every other game out there.
3) Booster boxes are much easier to buy at $30, which means easier to collect.*

So really, 1/3 of my reasons for playing are collectibility (sp?). Although I'll probably loose a few hairs trying to find a complete set of the Ultra Rares, I'll continue to support Tenacious Games because it's given me a reason to love TGC's again.


*Yes I know that that if you do the math it works out to be about the same price (12x3 = 36 packs & 30x3 ~ $90) but still. I much rather preferr to parse out $30or so every couple of weeks, than $90-100 all at once.

[La_Sin_Grail]

Well, let me point out that this is supposed to be a tournament card game. So collectability is... entertaining, but they're not focusing on that as a point. I actually dpn't know why they bothered with these at all, considering this is a tournament card game- what's the need? But they look so sick I hardly care.

[Forget]

I'm so disappointed in TGI for doing this, personally. 1 in every 4 cases = 1 in every 576 packs. 576 packs x 5 ultra-rares = 2880 packs, on average to get 5 ultra-rares, with the possibility for duplicates.

2880 packs cost over $8000.

Oh, and you only have a few months to get them because presumably by the time June rolls around they won't be printing anymore part 2 cards.

TGI just priced me out of the collecting aspect of this game, and I doubt I'm the only one. And now that I have given up on collecting (why bother when I probably will never have all 5 of these cards), the only packs I will be getting will be those required for sealed and draft play.

Personally, I think this was a bad move.

If it is easy to get all of the cards, the game doesn't have a collecting aspect. Name any collectable anything (card games or otherwise) in which everything in the 'set' is equal rarity. The way they've done their URs are specifically for collectors, at least it isn't yu-gi-oh where the UR cards are just better than other cards.

If you can obtain every card with no effort, there is no collectability.

I too am formost a collector. Ever since football cards and comic books 25 years ago. I feel you Sabash. While having these Ultra-Rares ultra difficult to get kind of stinks from a collectors point, at the same time it adds a hard to reach carrot that, for me, will always keep me searching.

Preach on brother doc... or is that doctor bro?

[Sabash]

Well, let me point out that this is supposed to be a tournament card game.

Agreed.

So collectability is... entertaining, but they're not focusing on that as a point.

And yet they felt the need to attempt to appeal to collectors with ultra-rares.

I actually dpn't know why they bothered with these at all

I wish they hadn't.

If it is easy to get all of the cards, the game doesn't have a collecting aspect.

So before the ultra-rares there was no collecting aspect to The Spoils?

Name any collectable anything (card games or otherwise) in which everything in the 'set' is equal rarity.

I wasn't suggesting that everything should have the same rarity. I wasn't even suggesting that ultra-rares are intrinsically a bad thing. Merely that the degree to which they ultra-ed them seems a bit excessive to me.

The way they've done their URs are specifically for collectors

with a ton of extra money

If you can obtain every card with no effort, there is no collectability.

I agree, but I don't see how that has any bearing here since it's not the effort that is problematic but the extreme to which the pushed the effort ($$$) that will be required to achieve the goal.

[futerkiste]

If it is easy to get all of the cards, the game doesn't have a collecting aspect. Name any collectable anything (card games or otherwise) in which everything in the 'set' is equal rarity.

Just to set the record straight, there are a ton of things that people collect that have an equal rarity. For myself, it includes collecting all the books of several role-playing games, all the Star Wars Lego sets, all the different pieces of my good china, flatware, and stemware, all the James Bond 007 DVDs...the list goes on and on. None of the individual items in any of those sets are harder to obtain then the others. Some things are worthless and collected by people and some things are priceless and collected by people. You'd be surprized at the things people collect appart from 'collectable' miniatures and games.

[Arzakon]

I don't see how people can complain about the ultra-rares. Of course it's a tool to sell more cards, that's the business Tenacious is in. It affects the tournament player in no way whatsoever. Any good player will buy or win the ~1.5 cases they need to get a full set and play proper constructed. The collectors will spend or trade for the other 18.5 cases they need to get the rest of the cards. What is the problem here?

On the collectors point, I don't see the point of having an ultra rare per case. That makes them worth the $350 a case costs, minus the 2 sets and a half worth of rares you get out of the box, it tends to make them worthless to the collectors. I don't want to see a binder full of "Spoils Ultra Rares" sitting next to the "UFS Ultra Rares: $8" in the case at the card shop. 1 per 4-5 cases is good.

[turning_of_the_tide]

I don't see how people can complain about the ultra-rares. Of course it's a tool to sell more cards, that's the business Tenacious is in. It affects the tournament player in no way whatsoever. Any good player will buy or win the ~1.5 cases they need to get a full set and play proper constructed. The collectors will spend or trade for the other 18.5 cases they need to get the rest of the cards. What is the problem here?

On the collectors point, I don't see the point of having an ultra rare per case. That makes them worth the $350 a case costs, minus the 2 sets and a half worth of rares you get out of the box, it tends to make them worthless to the collectors. I don't want to see a binder full of "Spoils Ultra Rares" sitting next to the "UFS Ultra Rares: $8" in the case at the card shop. 1 per 4-5 cases is good.

Agreed, I am first and formost a player but getting this cards is sweet...and I will have playsets eventually...gives alot of people something to shoot for vs just having full playsets.

-Ryan

[Sabash]

The collectors will spend or trade for the other 18.5 cases they need to get the rest of the cards. What is the problem here?

I guess I just need to get into whatever line of work all the other collectors are in that they can afford to buy 18+ cases of product.

[Master St. Louis]

These look sweet, and my friend really likes to collect The Spoils rather than actually play it. I'll have to tell him, he'll be excited!
I'm only looking into making my deck as strong as possible, so these cards are interesting but to me, nothing REALLY big. That's my opinion, I guess....