Seed Print Runs

[kallisti]

We have just over a month until Winter Limited Championships. Let's see if we can figure out the print runs before then.

Towards, that end, here are the contents of 3 Booster Boxes of Seed.

The first box is A, the second is B, the third is C. The packs are numbered 1-12, from top to bottom.

Key:
Common
Uncommon
Rare
FOIL
ULTRA RARE

A1:
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Flimflam Man
Perforate
D3ck W4rd3n
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Nimble Conscript
Rouse
Hungry-Hungry Idol
Brilliant Insight
Trebuchet Officer
IMPROVISED BLOWTORCH
ROUSE

A2:
Idol Smasher
Perturbatious Warlock
Inconvenient Roadblock
Bl4nd P3pp3r
Anathematize
Crushing Usury
Massive Erecting Golem
Obtuse Pipesmoker
Improvised Blowtorch
Thabbashite Haruspex
Because God Said So
Essence of Elitism
Godwing Thunderhoof

A3:
Colossal Flattener
Virulent Dogmatist
Unscrupulous Attendant
Surprising Nuisance
Shrouded Demon
Scintillating Chamber Pot
Multi-Attachment Man
Affectionate Dollkeeper
Idol Smasher
H07 P3pp3r
Cloaked Weapomaster
Heroic Deed
Narrow Passage

A4:
Prostitution Lobbyist
Surprising Nuisance
Hidden Dagger
Enduring Swordsman
Casino Kingpin
Nimble Conscript
Horrifying Brain-Monkey
Black Scourge of the Brine
Runic Tattoo Artist
Virtuous Razer
Day of the Tentacle
Desserted Island
Treachery

A5:
Prostitution Lobbyist
Surprising Nuisance
Hidden Dagger
Enduring Swordsman
Improvised Blowtorch
Sequestered Hellion
Underpaid Ancestor
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Agile Highwayman
Because Tabak Said So!
Essence of Elitism
Flailing Knife
Living God of Thabbash

A6:
Perforate
Unimportant Wizard
Fiscal Intercessor
Runic Armor
Overindulge
Fervent Beastslayer
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Swollen Ostrich
Virtuous Razer
Day of the Tentacle
Preponderant Craftsman

A7:
Seraphim Magic
Foul Diviner
Circumspect Hijacker
Inconspicuous Golem
Nimble Conscript
Horrifying Brain-Monkey
Black Scourge of the Brine
Runic Tattoo Artist
Strangulate
Virtuous Razer
Day of the Tentacle
Desserted Island
Hustler's Comeuppance

A8:
Virulent Dogmatist
fiscal Intercessor
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Flimflam Man
Perforate
Anathematize
Black Scourge of the Briner
Runic Tattoo Artist
Overindulge
Lordly Stables
Sin Against Nature
Essence of Greed
Exploitation

A9:
Seraphim Magic
Foul Diviner
Circumspect Hijacker
Inconspicuous Golem
Rumply Ruse
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Crushing Usury
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Prehensile Pirate
Claywork Compendium
Swollen Ostrich
Master Mud Whisperer

A10:
Tiny Sarume
Fiendish Fez
Inconvenient Roadblock
Bl4nd P3pp3r
Sly Bilker
Idol Smasher
Evanesce
Fountain Diver
Velocious Golem
Dauntless Gambler
Courageous Paladin
Nefarious Horror
Chain Reaction

A11:
Runic Armor
Flimflam Man
Colossal Flattener
Virulent Dogmatist
Evanesce
Chancellor of Reinstatement
Runic Reinforcement
Casino Kingpin
Improvised Blowtorch
Essence of Rage
Confounding Conjurer
Purifying Priest
Booty Licker

A12:
Colossal Flattener
Mesmerizing Enchantress
Unscrupulous Attendant
Runic Armor
Slinking Bandido
Overindulge
Fervent Beastslayer
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Mirthless Altar
Slick Orator
Cowering Golem
Cryptic Athenaeum

[kallisti]

B1:
Karmic Cake
Repurpose
Guttersnipe
Heavy Sword
Fiendish Fez
Agile Highwayman
Blazing Shriever
Horrendous Behemoth
D3ck W4rd3n
Ensorcelled Familiar
Temple Guardian
Unbearably Heavy Shoes of Teleportation
Domain of Depravity

B2:
Perturbatious Warlock
Inconvenient Roadblock
Bl4nd P3pp3r
Opportune Slotpuller
tiny Sarume
Multi-Attachment Man
Affectionate Dollkeeper
Blazing Shriever
Horrendous Behemoth
Drivey Car
Underhanded Gamer
Lordly Stables
Domain of Depravity

B3:
Flimflam Man
Colossal Flattener
Virulent Dogmatist
Unscrupulous Attendant
Surprising Nuisance
Runic Reinforcement
Casino Kingpin
Nimble Conscript
Horrifying Brain-Monkey
Assistant Mud Whisperer
Luxurious Gaming Establishment
Aweless Charger
Headhunting

B4:
Perturbatious Warlock
Chancellor of Reinstatement
Mundane Pupil
Opportune Slotpuller
Perforate
Velocious Golem
Hypnotic Illusionist
Vigilant Raider
Anathematize
Righteous Exemplar
Obscure
High Court of Demands
Master Mud Whisperer

B5:
Perforate
Foul Diviner
Prostitution Lobbyist
Surprising Nuisance
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
313373 M3ch4n1c
Strangulate
Rigged Tables
Gallant commander
Lingamite Torture Monk
Mysterious Invasion
UNSCRUPULOUS ATTENDANT

B6:
Foul Diviner
Prostitution Lobbyist
Surprising Nuisance
Hidden Dagger
Horrendous Behemoth
D3ck W4rd3n
313373 M3ch4n1c
Overindulge
Protractive Golem
Shadowy Mugger
Unstoppable Asskicker
Defiler of Innocence
MUD WHISPERER WANNABE

B7:
Hidden Dagger
Enduring Swordsman
Unimportant Wizard
Fountain Diver
Mundane Pupil
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Nimble Conscript
Evanesce
Obscure
High Court of Demands
Fleet Golem
Preponderant Craftsman

B8:
Surprising Nuisance
Hidden Dagger
Enduring Swordsman
Unimportant Wizard
Fountain Diver
Overindulge
Fervent Beastslayer
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Protractive Golem
Shadowy Mugger
Unstoppable Asskicker
Treachery

B9:
Roulette Wheel of DOOM!
Frenzied Shriever
Thabbashite Wizard
Karmic Cake
Repurpose
Hypnotic Illusionist
Vigilant Raider
Anathematize
Crushing Usury
Wanton Wizard
Pilgrimage Auditor
Protractive Golem
Workshop

B10:
Brainbath
Karmic Cake
Repurpose
Hidden Dagger
Overindulge
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Crushing Usury
Lingamite Torture Monk
Prehensile Pirate
Claywork Compendium
Maxwell Cockswagger
MULTI-ATTACHMENT MAN

B11:
Bl4nd P3pp3r
Opportune Slotpuller
Tiny Sarume
Brainbath
Impressive Hero
The Abominable Hamster
Extravagant Confusion
Runic Reinforcement
Subordinate Demotivation
Ingenious Tinker
Bit Boss
Neurosis
CRUSHING USURY

B12:
Sly Bilker
Idol Smasher
Perturbatious Warlock
Inconvenient Roadblock
Horrifying Brain-Monkey
Circumspect Hijacker
Massive Erecting Golem
Hypnotic Illusionist
Cunning Disguise
Righteous Exemplar
Obscure
Exploitation
BLAZING SHRIEVER

[kallisti]

C1:
Frisky Fortunehunter
Tamper
Slinking Bandido
Seraphim Magic
Improvised Blowtorch
Anathematize
Black Scourge of the Brine
Runic Tattoo Artist
Overindulge
Shadowy Mugger
Unstoppable Asskicker
Essence of Obsession
Avuncular Merlion

C2:
Fiendish Fez
Inconvenient Roadblock
Bl4nd P3pp3r
Sly Bilker
Robustical Badass
Vigilant Raider
The Abominable Hamster
Extravagant Confusion
Velocious Golem
Pit Boss
Essence of Rage
Confounding Conjurer
Balthassar Gristwalter

C3:
Roulette Wheel of DOOM!
Frenzied Shriever
Thabbashite Wizard
Karmic Cake
Repurpose
Scintillating Chamber Pot
Multi-Attachment Man
Affectionate Dollkeeper
Blazing Shriever
Sin Against Nature
Essence of Greed
53cur1ty 5y573m
Drill Garrison

C4:
Fiscal Intercessor
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Flimflam Man
Perforate
Casino Kingpin
Nimble Conscript
Horrifying Brain Monkey
Black Scourge of the Brine
Runic Tattoo Artist
Cunning Disguise
Righteous Exemplar
Obscure
Elzibeth, Military Sorceress

C5:
Tamper
Rumply Ruse
Colossal Flattener
Mesmerizing Enchantress
Unscrupulous Attendant
Agile Highwayman
Blazing Shriever
Horrendous Behemoth
D3ck W4rd3n
Essence of Greed
53cur17y 5y573m
Cunning Disguise
Architectural Restitution

C6:
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Flimflam Man
Perforate
Foul Diviner
Prostitution Lobbyist
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Impressive Hero
Fleet Golem
Rigged Tables
Gallant Commander
Master Mud Whisperer

C7:
Colossal Flattener
Virulent Dogmatist
Unscrupulous Attendant
Surprising Nuisance
Roulette Wheel of DOOM!
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
313373 M3ch4n1c
Strangulate
Mass Confusion
Rouse
Hungry-Hungry Idol
Pant Swipe

C8:
Karmic Guide
Repurpose
Crushing Usury
Massive Erecting Golem
Obtuse Pipesmoker
Improvised Blowtorch
Enduring Swordsman
Titillating Contortionist
Mass Confusion
Rouse
Workshop
MESMERIZING ENCHANTRESS
BRAINBATH

C9:Frenzied Shriever
Thabbashite Wizard
Prostitution Lobbyist
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Guttersnipe
Circumspect Hijacker
Massive Erecting Golem
Hypnotic Illusionist
Impressive Hero
Auspicious Tax
Jocular Stupefaction
Titillating Contortionist/I]
Avuncular Merlion

C10:
Frenzied Shriever
Thabbahite Wizard
Prostitution Lobbyist
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Guttersnipe
Strangulate
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Scintillating Chamber Pot
[I]Desserted Island
H07 P3pp3r
Cloaked Weaponmaster
Forbidden Knowledge

C11:
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Guttersnipe
Enduring Swordsman
Brainbath
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Impressive Hero
The Abominable Hamster
Extravagant Confusion
Balking Foecrusher
Mirthless Altar
Slick Orator
High Priest of Thabbash

C12:
Roulette Wheel of DOOM!
Frenzied Shriever
Thabbashite Wizard
Prostitution Lobbyist
Runic Reinforcement
Casino Kingpin
Nimble Conscript
Horrifying Brain-Monkey
Black Scourge of the Brine
Cowering Golem
Dauntless Gambler
Courageous Paladin
Trebuchet Officer

[davyinatoga]

As much as print runs are nice to have, I doubt there's ever going to be a consistent one that'll work. I could list the three boxes I've opened up, but from what I've noticed the cards shift from time to time. I may get a Mud Whisperer Wannabe followed by a Swollen Ostrich three times in a row, for example, then the next time I see a SO it's preceded by B14nd P3pp3r, then a Runic Tattoo Artist the next time. Also, I've seen cards repeat in the same pack, once where Common run A would be then again at the back where run B would be. I don't think anyone's going to be able to come up with a real print run list.

[Hordak]

As much as print runs are nice to have, I doubt there's ever going to be a consistent one that'll work. I could list the three boxes I've opened up, but from what I've noticed the cards shift from time to time. I may get a Mud Whisperer Wannabe followed by a Swollen Ostrich three times in a row, for example, then the next time I see a SO it's preceded by B14nd P3pp3r, then a Runic Tattoo Artist the next time. Also, I've seen cards repeat in the same pack, once where Common run A would be then again at the back where run B would be. I don't think anyone's going to be able to come up with a real print run list.


I think the goal is functional approximation.

[davyinatoga]

I think the goal is functional approximation.
Not even. Even if the commons were separated by run A and run B, there's an 8^5 chance of any certain order of cards ABGRW (80 commons / 2 p'rint runs / 5 trades = 8 commons per trade on each print run). so if you've deduced the person ahead of you drafted a warlord common, then the number of cards is limited only to 8 if you can determine what print run it's from. Again, this is assuming that there are indeed 2 common print runs. Knowing 8 out of 16 isn't that huge a difference to me. Then again, that may just be me.

EDIT: I'll concede that there are good indicatons of print runs (your Terra Cotta Flagellators lined up with the ones on my lists), but it's still too complicated to garner any functional use from it. There are two possible cards that precede each card and two others that follow (i.e. Fiscal Intercessor OR Prostitution Lobbyist -->TCF-->Flimflam Man or Guttersnipe), and if you trace it out for all 80 commons, that's too much hassle to be of any use.

[Hordak]

I don't really get why one would want to know print runs to begin with, but was hoping to provide explanation.

[thegnomishone]

The ability to know what the person to your right is drafting is key... but you can pick up other signals from them anyway, so the print runs aren't strictly necessary.

[Hans]

If you have become THAT good at The Spoils that the tiny advantage of knowing print runs is the only way to increase your skill level even more, please PM me. I want to move to your town to worship you and learn from your mastery.
Otherwise you just shouldnt care about print runs at all.

H4N5

[Hordak]

The ability to know what the person to your right is drafting is key... but you can pick up other signals from them anyway, so the print runs aren't strictly necessary.

That only ever works with the second pick of the draft. After that you don't know the difference between the person to your right and the person to their right, and so on as picks continue.

Really the only thing we should know about print runs is the ABGRW pattern, which most people knew already.

Specific cards would not be terribly useful. You should expect threats by color, not specific cards. I see someone playing Warlord and I assume that I'm playing around Perforate, Boilstorm, etc. I don't need to know EXACTLY what they have. I can count on Runic Reinforcement from Gearsmith players for the same reason.

[thegnomishone]

I've actually noticed packs that break that pattern, and it's worthless if the person shuffles the pack... hell, I've seen packs that shift between different print runs in the middle of the commons... so I'm really not sure how much information can really be gleaned from Print runs of Seed right now.

[Asuryan]

Contents of my first Seed booster box:

(Common, Uncommon, Rare, Foil)

Inconvenient Roadblock
Bland Pepper
Opportune Slotpuller
Tiny Sarume
Brainbath
Obtuse Pipesmoker
Robustical Badass
Sequestered Hellion
Scintillating Chamber Pot
Shadowy Mugger
Unstoppable Asskicker
Essence of Obsession
Department of Rejections

Thabbashite Wizard
Karmic Cake
Repurpose
Guttersnipe
Heavy Sword
Flabbergasting Philisopher
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Impressive Hero
Gallant Commander
Lingamite Torture Monk
Prehensile Pirate
Treachery

Mundane Pupil
Opportune Slotpuller
Perforate
Unimportant Wizard
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Impressive Hero
The Abominable Hamster
Purifying Priest
Assistant Mud Whisperer
Luxuious Gaming Establishment
Master Mud Whisperer

Tiny Sarume
Fiendish Fez
Inconvenient Roadblock
Bland Pepper
Idol Smasher
Evanesce
Fountain Diver
Velocious Golem
Hypnotic Illusionist
Rune of Concealment
Essence of Deception
Spitting Sarume
Lucky Charm

Foul Diviner
Circumspect Hijacker
Inconspicuous Golem
Rumply Ruse
Vigilant Raider
Anathematize
Crushing Usury
Massive Erecting Golem
Obtuse Pipesmoker
Ensorcelled Familiar
Temple Guardian
Unbearably Heavy Shoes of Teleportation
Mysterious Invasion

Mesmerizing Enchantress
Unscrupulous Attendant
Runic Armor
Slinking Bandido
Anathematize
Crushing Usury
Massive Erecting Golem
Obtuse Pipesmoker
Mirthless Altar
Slick Orator
Cowering Golem
Runic Whale
Karmic Cake

Seraphim Magic
Virulent Dogmatist
Fiscal Intercessor
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Improvised Blowtorch
Sequestered Hellion
Underpaid Ancestor
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Desserted Island
Hot Pepper
Cloaked Weaponmaster
Avuncular Merlion
Runivoltaic Accumulator

Fountain Diver
Mundane Pupil
Roulette Wheel of DOOM!
Frenzied Shriever
Thabbashite Wizard
Circumspect Hijacker
Massive Erecting Golem
Hypnotic Illusionist
Impressive Hero
Lingamite Torture Monk
Prehensile Pirate
Claywork Compendium
Watchtower

Guttersnipe
Enduring Swordsman
Brainbath
Karmic Cake
Fervent Beastslayer
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Transient Smuggler
Manful Skirmish
Flagitious Denunciator
Drill Garrison

Terra Cotta Flagellator
Guttersnipe
Enduring Swordsman
Brainbath
Karmic Cake
Strangulate
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Scintillating Chamber Pot
Underhanded Gamer
Lordly Stables
Sin Against Nature
Balthassar Gristwalter
Cashier's Window

Flimflam Man
Perforate
Foul Diviner
Prostitution Lobbyist
Agile Highwayman
Blazing Shriever
Horrendous Behemoth
Deck Warden
Essence of Greed
Security System
Cunning Disguise
Arcane Research
Slinking Bandido

Repurpose
Hidden Dagger
Heavy Sword
Mesmerizing Enchantress
Nimble Conscript
Horrifying Brain-Monkey
Black Scourge of the Brine
Runic Tattoo Artist
Auspicious Tax
Jocular Stupefaction
Titillating Contortionist
Wand of Possession
Heavy Sword

[Asuryan]

Cracked another booster box:

(Common, Uncommon, Rare, Foil)

Heavy Sword
Mesmerizing Enchantress
Frisky Fortunehunter
Tamper
Slinking Bandido
Runic Tattoo Artist
Overindulge
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Prehensile Pirate
Claywork Compendium
Swollen Ostrich
Portly Tradesmau

Frisky Fortunehunter
Tamper
Slinking Bandido
Seraphim Magic
Underpaid Ancestor
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Agile Highwayman
Blazing Shriever
Horrendous Behemoth
Jocular Stupefaction
Titillating Contortionist
Mass Confusion
Inhibit

Fiscal Intercessor
Runic Armor
Flimflam Man
Colossal Flattener
Virulent Dogmatist
Crushing Usury
Massive Erecting Golem
Obtuse Pipesmoker
Improvised Blowtorch
Assistant Mud Whisperer
Luxurious Gaming Establishment
Aweless Charger
Watchtower

Roulette Wheel of DOOM!
Frenzied Shriever
Thabbashite Wizard
Prostitution Lobbyist
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
Runivoltaic Accumulator
Harbinger of Anguish
Rune of Concealment
Essence of Deception
Spitting Sarume
Neurosis
Slick Orator

Seraphim Magic
Virulent Dogmatist
Fiscal Intercessor
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Sequestered Hellion
Underpaid Ancestor
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Agile Highwayman
Blazing Shriever
Subordinate Demotivation
Ingenious Tinker
Pit Boss
Defiler of Innocence

Fiscal Intercessor
Terra Cotta Flagellator
Flimflam Man
Perforate
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Scintillating Chamber Pot
Multi-Attachment Man
Pit Boss
Essence of Rage
Confounding Conjurer
Palm Glom
Fleet Golem

Chancellor of Reinstatement
Mundane Pupil
Opportune Slotpuller
Perforate
Unimportant Wizard
Sequestered Hellion
Underpaid Ancestor
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Agile Highwayman
Mass Confusion
Rouse
Hungry-Hungry Idol
Cashier's Window

Foul Diviner
Circumspect Hijacker
Inconspicuous Golem
Rumply Ruse
Encumber
Flabbergasting Philosopher
313373 Mechanic
Strangulate
Auspicious Tax
Jocular Stupefaction
Titillating Contortionist
Mutineer's Hiatus
B14nd P3pp3r

Idol Smasher
Perturbatious Warlock
Inconvenient Roadblock
Black Scourge of the Brine
Runic Tattoo Artist
Overindulge
Unflinching Bowman
Shrouded Demon
Jocular Stupefaction
Titillating Contortionist
Mass Confusion
Hall of Conventions


Inconvenient Roadblock
B14nd P3pp3r
Sly Bilker
Perturbatious Warlock
Blazing Shriever
Horrendous Behemoth
D3ck W4rd3n
313373 Mechanic
Essence of Greed
53cur17y 5y573m
Cunning Disguise
Adjunct Artisan

Hidden Dagger
Heavy Sword
Mesmerizing Enchantress
Frisky Fortunehunter
Runic Reinforcement
Casino Kingpin
Improvised Blowtorch
Anathematize
Sin Against Nature
Essence of Greed
53cur17y 5y573m
Reality Shift
Mesmerizing Enchantress

Runic Armor
Slinking Bandido
Seraphim Magic
Fiscal Intercessor
Shrouded Demon
Crushing Usury
Mud Whisperer Wannabe
Agile Highwayman
Essence of Greed
Flailing Knife
Proficient Battler
Adriel, Defender of Marduun

[La_Sin_Grail]

I've actually noticed packs that break that pattern, and it's worthless if the person shuffles the pack...

There are likely two, maybe three common print runs, so are they really breaking the pattern? Anyway, it is NOT WORTHLESS if they shuffle. Let's say you recognize commons as 30-34 and 36-39 in print run A. That means the missing one is 35 from print run A. They don't have to be in order!!!

More importantly (and sometihng I would actually consider doing) is identifying a couple power commons and memorizing which two cards go directly next to it, then some way to identify print runs (maybe another 1-2 cards). This seems a reasonable method of remembering some information that might actually be helpful.

That being said, I'm going to partially agree with Hans here, memorizing the whole print run is largely unnecessary, as being able to identify the color of the card passed to you is often just as helpful as knowing the actual card itself. I don't think there's anybody who plays this game that NEEDS to memorize them... I'm nowhere near that level and I'm a relatively successful drafter. Nowhere near that level.

[Asuryan]

That being said, I'm going to partially agree with Hans here, memorizing the whole print run is largely unnecessary, as being able to identify the color of the card passed to you is often just as helpful as knowing the actual card itself. I don't think there's anybody who plays this game that NEEDS to memorize them... I'm nowhere near that level and I'm a relatively successful drafter. Nowhere near that level.
Eventually someone with a photographic memory is gonna pwn us all. :p

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