Smear Campaign a Draw?

[kcfin]

I just had a timing question with Smear Campaign.

If the attached character would do enough damage to take their opponents to 0 as well as theirs would that be a draw? Or would they win?

I wasn't positive on this, but I interpreted it as if the attached character inflicts damage, and then the damage it inflicted gets inflicted on its faction.

So basically I think it would work that if you inflict enough to get your opponent's faction to 0 you win right there before the damage would get inflicted back to your faction reducing your faction to 0.

[doc8466]

If at any time a faction's influence score is 0, the owner of that faction loses the game.


Triggers
Triggers begin with the words “if”, “when”, or “at” and are followed by a trigger condition. If the trigger condition
happens, you must immediately follow the instructions of the trigger...

Since the trigger is the character inflicting damage, that means the damage is done and if that reduces the faction to 0 influence, the game ends and the triggered effect never happens.

[Sabash]

Wouldn't the two triggers occur simultaneously making it the active player's decision in which order to evaluate them?

[doc8466]

I must be missing something...I only see one trigger.


If the attached character inflicts any amount of damage, inflict an equal amount of damage to the character's controller's faction.

[Sabash]

If at any time a faction's influence score is 0, the owner of that faction loses the game.

Isn't that a trigger?

[doc8466]

Aha! Good call! Yes it is. You are correct, the triggers would be activated simultaneously, but in the end the active player *would* choose to have his opponent's faction reach 0 thus resulting in his opponent losing before resolving his own influence loss.

[OnBoardGames]

But you said they activate simultaneously. Does that mean the game ends before smear campaign's trigger fully resolves? The rules state that if a players influence reaches zero he loses. That doesn't neccissarily mean if his opponant gets their first you win, although it could be implied.

This is more of a timing question than anything.

[doc8466]

Multiple things can trigger simultaneously, thus the need for rules governing which resolves first. The only way for effects to happen simultaneously (like both factions reaching 0 influence at the same time) is if the effects come from one source. For example, Flaming Barduse allows you to inflict 2 damage to up to 2 characters. If you assign one and one, they are inflicted simultaneously.

Since triggers have to be completely resolved before moving on, and the rules state that when your influence = 0 you lose, the game ends there.

I see what you're saying and yes it is implied that if your opponent loses, you win.

[jono187]

So i still am confused? who wins?

[doc8466]

The player who's Faction's Influence isn't 0. :)